TTC Service Changes Effective September 3, 2017

The September 2017 schedule changes primarily involve the reversal of summer service cuts to many routes with only minimal service improvements. This continues the TTC’s policy for 2017 of constraining service growth in the face of lower than budgeted ridership, as well as the shortage of vehicles.

Construction projects continue to affect route 501 Queen and will do so for many months to come:

  • Streetcar service is restored between Russell Carhouse (at Connaught) and Sunnyside Loop.
    • This will be affected in October when the intersection of McCaul and Queen is rebuilt requiring a diversion.
  • A bus shuttle will operate from River to Neville Park due to the reconstruction of the intersection at Coxwell and Queen.
    • This will also require the continued operation of buses on the 502/503 services on Kingston Road.
    • Through streetcar service to Neville Park will resume with the October schedules.
  • A bus shuttle to Long Branch will operate from Dufferin Loop, and Marine Parade will be served by its own local shuttle to Windermere.
    • Construction on The Queensway will prevent streetcars from operating to Humber Loop until the end of the year.
    • Streetcars will not operate west of Humber Loop to Long Branch until mid-2018.

With the return of ALRVs to the Queen route, 504 King will operate primarily with CLRVs, and the peak period trippers will mainly be buses, not streetcars. The effective capacity of the route will fall because of the lower capacity of CLRVs and buses versus the streetcars that have been used over the summer of 2017. This will be minimally offset by a small reduction in headways during all operating periods thanks to trimming of the running time. King cars now enjoy extended layovers leading to queues of vehicles at terminals thanks to an overly-generous schedule. The number of streetcars in service remains the same, but on slightly shorter headways.

New low-floor Flexity streetcars will be deployed on 512 St. Clair starting in September, subject to availability. The schedule will be based on CLRVs until new car deliveries reach the point where the line can be scheduled as a Flexity route.

The TTC plans to begin using Flexitys on 504 King late in 2017 subject to availability.

Between them, the King and St. Clair routes require about 60 CLRVs at peak. Allowing for some capacity growth with Flexitys, this translates to about 45 of the new cars, plus spares. It will be some time before both routes are converted, assuming Bombardier achieves their ramped up delivery rate in fall 2017. They are already slightly behind schedule with only two of three planned cars for July 2017 out the door in Thunder Bay, and they have not yet implemented the additional shifts/workforce to produce cars at a higher rate effective October 2017.

The northbound stop at Broadview & Danforth will be removed allegedly in the aid of transit priority signalling. In fact, this is a location where the substantial green time afforded to east-west traffic on Danforth makes the idea of “priority” for transit movements difficult to swallow. There is already an advanced green northbound for left turning motor traffic. Given the layovers now enjoyed by streetcars at Broadview Station, it is not clear just what this priority will achieve, but removing the stop will annoy the many riders who now use it. The southbound stop remains in service.

Other construction projects include:

  • 54 Lawrence East: Water main construction west of Victoria Park has completed.
  • Renforth Station opens: 32 Eglinton West and 112 West Mall are rerouted into the new regional terminal.
  • Kennedy Station: The schedule change to accommodate Crosstown construction is implemented for weekend service on 86 Scarborough.
  • Long Branch Loop: All buses will loop via the streetcar loop during reconstruction of the bus roadway.
  • 123 Shorncliffe: Additional running time to accommodate a City paving project.
  • 506 Carlton: The only remaining construction area/diversion is on College between Bathurst and Lansdowne. This will end in October.
  • 505 Dundas: The diversion between Bay and Church will end in late September or early October depending on progress of the road works east of Yonge.

The 400 Lawrence Manor and 404 East York Community Bus services will be extended. For details, see the TTC’s July 2017 update on these services.


41 thoughts on “TTC Service Changes Effective September 3, 2017

  1. Minor typo: • 504 Carlton: The only remaining construction area/diversion is on College between Bathurst and Lansdowne. This will end in October.

    Steve: Thanks. Will fix.


  2. Why no service west of Humber loop until the middle of 2018? The trackwork on the east end of Lake Shore can’t take that long. What else is going on for the next year?

    There’s supposed to be a cycle track installed on the south side of Lake Shore from Norris to First, but that’s supposed to be open by this fall.

    Overhead is being modernized at Long Branch loop, but that won’t take a year no matter how long they drag it out.

    Although, hmm, the Long Branch loop shelter took almost a year to reopen after the accident….the original date was end of 2016, and that kept being moved by a month or two until mid-May 2017.

    Steve: I suspect the controlling factor is the substation and new power feeds, although I think the TTC uses every opportunity to avoid running streetcars. By mid 2018, they will have Broadview shut down for reconstruction, and will have cars free to run Long Branch even if Bombardier doesn’t deliver any more units. Then in 2019, you lose streetcar service again for reconstruction of the Queensway east of Parkside plus the intersection at Ronces.


  3. I’m puzzled why new flexities aren’t deployed on King with the 504 routes high demand. One might think it a priority over St. Clair.

    Steve: I think there are multiple political priorities at work here, with St. Clair winning out thanks to the local councillor sitting on the TTC board.


  4. So essentially residents in South Etobicoke will have a nightmare getting anywhere in the neighborhood, let alone leaving the area no matter where they’re going:

    -Kipling Station will have major reconstruction to the roadway until March 2018
    -Royal York will have major reconstruction to the bus roadway until December 2018
    -Long Branch will have reconstruction until some point in 2018
    -Six Points will have major reconstruction until essentially 2020
    -Islington is virtually crumbling and will have reconstruction throughout various points of the foreseeable future
    -Kipling Avenue will have major road reconstruction and lane reductions until December 2017
    -Lakeshore Blvd will have lane reductions from Dwight to Superior until December 2017

    Although the coordination of all these projects is pretty well executed, the TTC has to do a better job of supplementing service in the area because this is ridiculous. Islington and the 501 are the two that immediately come to mind because if they keep the status quo this will easily add at least another 30 minutes to someone’s commute daily.


  5. To add to the fun, the Shorncliffe bus has its running time extended even more in the morning peak. I made the mistake of catching an early (just after 6 AM) Kipling-bound 123, scheduled at 58+2 minutes round trip (running+station time), and it moseyed along and took a few minutes rest at Sherway Gardens. I can’t imagine how slow the 73+7 minute schedule will make things. To put in perspective, the running time for 123 back before 2010 was about 22 minutes one-way. Now it’s almost 40 minutes.

    I feel sorry for the riders on Brown’s line, where the 123C comes infrequently during the day (every other bus is a 123D that only goes to Sherway), and the 110A service gets less frequent during rush hours since every other 110 to Long Branch is a 110B that uses Thirtieth and Lake Shore to get to the loop. You can almost say that Brown’s Line gets almost the same service at 3 AM (from the 315 Evans) as it does during AM and PM peak periods from 110A and 123C.


  6. The northbound stop on Woodbine at Danforth is also being yanked. I think the plan is to get rid of any stop at Bloor/Danforth that has a bus platform nearby…


  7. So what bus divisions would operate the 501 Queen shuttle?


    • 501R: Eglinton
    • 501L: Primarily from Mount Dennis and Queensway, with peak runs from Wilson (same as March 2017 schedules)

    Also would 511 Bathurst use the ALRV or CLRV during this period?

    Steve: This is not specified in the schedule announcement for September. If they revert to last September’s service design, it will be CLRVs.


  8. Having longer layovers at terminal stations and eliminating the northbound stop at Danforth means more customers will be forced to exit streetcars stuck just north of the Danforth, creating potentially dangerous situations or trapping customers in streetcars. I’ve been stuck just outside Broadview for at least 10 minutes several times and if I see a line of streetcars up ahead I’ll get off at Danforth to avoid this.

    Eliminating the Erindale and/or southbound Danforth stop make much more sense than getting rid of the northbound stop, which I rarely see used on a green light. Most people who get off there do so when the light is red, so its not really slowing anything down.

    Steve: And as an extra touch, Presto probably will charge you an extra fare for entering the subway station.


  9. Steve: And as an extra touch, Presto probably will charge you an extra fare for entering the subway station.

    When I was a student going to my summer job, I missed a Royal York South bus by seconds. The bus had just closed its doors and refused to stop for me though the driver clearly saw me. I ran to the southwest corner of Royal York and Bloor and reached the stop before the bus. The driver told me that this was not a proper transfer point from the subway. He refused to move the bus unless I got off – making all the other passengers suffer. I got off – but after 40 years I have not forgotten his petty meanness.


  10. Back after a hiatus from your site but only for one question as I work in the area and only recently saw the development of the Renforth/Skymark transit area.

    Any reason why Renforth Gateway was not designed as a terminal but a BRT side platform station? The design does not lend any form of utility for routes terminating at the Gateway itself. If someone wanted to transfer from one route to another via the gateway, they would have had an inconvenient walk to do so. Was thinking that the design would be more similar to the Square One terminal, and not the current configuration. Or they could have had both, which is a configuration on many OC Transpo transitway stations.

    Steve: I believe that the Gateway (which is now merely called “Renforth Station”) is not seen as a terminal in its own right, but as part of a corridor for routes that will eventually terminate at an airport hub. I have my doubts we will ever see such a hub, but YYZ has dreams of grandeur.


  11. The CNE is just around the corner -it begins Friday, August 18 – and large numbers of people will be choosing to take public transit. The TTC will increase service on the venerable “511 Bathurst” streetcar route, a popular choice for those going to the CNE. During the 18 days each year the CNE runs, there’s a distinctive ambiance on the “511 Bathurst” streetcar when the CNE is on, the high-spirited excitement of the passengers aboard a southbound streetcar on this route. I notice it when I’m riding the streetcar to the CNE.

    In recent years there’s been an influx of immigrants from Latin American countries, Venezuela in particular. Sunday’s the traditional day for Venezuelan families to go out together; and I’m sure that one place they’ll go to will be the CNE (for some of their Sunday outings), and they’ll be taking the TTC (“511 Bathurst” streetcar) to get there.

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  12. When is the “511 Bathurst” route fully converted to the new low-floor Flexity Outlook streetcars? Since streetcars returned to this route on Sunday, May 7, 2017 – after five and a half months of shuttle bus service which began Sunday, November 20, 2016 – there has been an increase in the number of Flexities. However, the bulk of the rolling stock on “511 Bathurst” is CLRVs and ALRVs.

    This year will become the first year that I’m going to take the new Flexities to the CNE (and I choose to go on Sundays). On several of my Sunday trips to popular Toronto tourist destinations, I’ve been meeting people from Venezuela, and Sunday is the traditional day for Venezuelan (immigrant) families to go out together.

    Steve: There is no announced date for completion of 511 Bathurst, and equipment will shuffle among routes starting in September.

    The return of streetcars to 501 Queen will mean that the ALRVs will mostly disappear from other routes where they have operated, 511 Bathurst and 504 King. The TTC has also announced that the Flexity roll out will shift to 512 St. Clair and 504 King over the coming year, and assuming that Bombardier’s deliveries ramp up as planned, this will consume all new vehicles for much of the coming year.

    However, deliveries at the minimal summer pace are already behind schedule, and I will not believe that Bombardier is actually capable of producing 7-8 cars a month until I actually see this.


  13. The TTC plans to begin using Flexitys on 504 King late in 2017 subject to availability.

    What, if anything, is the TTC going to do about back up of cars at the terminals? It was only a few months ago when they pulled the 10 or so Flexitys running on 504 out of service in the middle of the day because they couldn’t manage operations.

    Steve: In September, running time is being cut on the 504 which should lessen although not eliminate queueing problems. It will be interesting to watch.

    In an unrelated side note, the TTC posted a notice on its web site describing a temporary diversion of the 514 during the CNE but I don’t see any evidence of cars doing anything other than looping via Dufferin as usual.

    514 Cherry extended to King Street and Roncesvalles Avenue during CNE Aug 18 to Sept 4, 2017.

    Steve: It is not unusual for the real world to diverge somewhat from the land of TTC notices.


  14. High-Spirited EX-citement aboard “511 Bathurst” Streetcar:

    There’ is, definitely, a high-spirited excitement of passengers riding on the “511 Bathurst” streetcar to the Canadian National Exhibition (CNE), popularly known as the EX. It’s what awaits the passengers when they arrive at the Exhibition Loop and step off the streetcar which makes them excited – the good food in the Food Building and elsewhere, the rides and games in the midway, and the various shows. This is expecially true during the last weekend of the CNE, when the Canadian International Air Show is on. The thrill of watching the planes further fuels this excitement. The passengers look out the window of the streetcar and see planes flying over, some performing aereal stunts. If already stepped off the “511 Bathurst” streetcar and arrived at the CNE, they’d just look up to the skies to watch the planes and their pilots perform for them.


  15. As seen in this TTC service change for September, would 511 Bathurst use buses? If so then please update this page.

    Steve: That’s not the only change that was missing from the service change notice that was sent out. I will update the page when I have all of the info about new service levels and modes.


  16. Hi Steve,

    With the anticipated arrival of Flexity trams on St Clair, I’ve noticed one vital piece of infrastructure missing: The TTC doesn’t seem to be in a hurry to install Presto or POP vending machines along the route from what I can see (anything east of Oakwood). Riders on St Clair are accustomed to having some direct connection with the driver. Will there be information / POP inspectors deployed? Nothing has gone out to the locals save for information concerning the loss of our 2-hour, hop on, hop off transfer privileges.

    Steve: The whole issue of on-street machines, beyond what we have on Spadina/Harbourfront, seems to have stalled. I will check with the TTC to see what’s going on there.

    Further to the above, Brad Ross confirms that the offboard machines were intended only as a transitional arrangement and that with the majority of riders switching to Presto in the coming year, there is no plan to install any on St. Clair.


  17. It looks like the 514 notice has been removed from TTC service alerts and buried under route diversions. It now specifies a diversion which will only occur during CNE weekends.

    Related to CNE service I am wondering if there’s a streetcar policy of pro-active maintenance similar to the new policy for buses. After seeing multiple CNE extras breaking down only a few km after leaving the yard I would guess no.

    Steve: It sounds as if the TTC’s policy of avoiding sending cars into service that are not reliable has fallen by the wayside, yet another failure of Byford’s plan to change TTC culture.


  18. Today, I noticed a sign posted at TTC stops along Bathurst Street; once again streetcars will be taken off the “511 Bathurst” route on September 3, 2017, and replaced with shuttle buses, due to a shortage of streetcars. It looks like I’m going to be taking a shuttle bus down to the CNE and the Canadian International Air Show – and later back up to the subway – during that weekend.

    If shuttle buses are to return to the “511 Bathurst” route on September 3, 2017, how many weeks will it be until streetcars return again – until more Flexities arrive? As usual, the shuttle buses (on the “511 Bathurst” route) will continue using the same type of transfers used by the older streetcars (the CLRVs and ALRVs) with “511 BATHURST” on the top.

    In the mean time, I shall continue to ride the “511 Bathurst” streetcar to the CNE the weekend of August 27 – shall it be either a CLRV, ALRV or a Flexity.

    Steve: Yes, the TTC omitted the mode change for 511 Bathurst from the September service memo in error, and that’s why it was not in my list of changes. I am waiting for the service summary to go up online so that I can compare it with what was announced to pick up anything else that may have been missed, and to produce a list of the seasonal changes that have actually been reversed.

    The official reason for bus operation is the shortage of streetcars. That situation will only improve if Bombardier gets its act together and actually ramps up production in Sept/Oct as claimed in their plans. The fact that the two “August” cars have not even left Thunder Bay yet is not a good sign.

    According to an April 2017 briefing note, the current schedule calls for conversion of 511 to Flexity operation starting in May 2018 and finishing in September.


  19. A History of Shuttle Bus Operation on the “511 Bathurst” route:

    There has been a history of shuttle bus operation over the past ten to fifteen years. The first I remember was is 2005. Track and surrounding concrete on the entire route was replaced, and streetcars were replaced with shuttle buses. Sometimes, TTC track at particular intersections – King & Bathurst in 2011 (that was completed just in time for that year’s CNE); water mains and sewers in autumn of 2013; the intersection of Bathurst and Dundas in 2014 (the shuttle buses detoured via Queen, Spadina, and College); the intersection of Bathurst and College (the shuttle buses detoured via Dundas, Spadina, and Harbord), in 2016; and the period vetween November 20, 2016 to May 6, 2017, when there was a shortage of streetcars.

    If the TTC does decide to replace streetcars with shuttle buses, when (what’s the new date)?

    Every year, during the last weekend of the CNE (which also happens to be the weekend the Canadian Internatioanal Air Show runs), the TTC adds an express shuttle bus service, the “511 EXHIBITION EXPRESS” to supplement streetcar service.

    Steve: The shuttle bus service will continue at least into the fall thanks to the shortage of vehicles.


  20. Emergency shuttle bus operation isn’t limited to subway lines. Sometimes streetcar routes use shuttle buses in emergency situations, such as power outages. On Sunday, August 16, 2015, there was a power outage in the Spadina Avenue corridor (in Chinatown) which affected service on the “510 Spadina” route, which lasted from late morning to early evening. Streetcars were taken off this route and replaced with shuttle buses, and service the main branch of the “510 Spadina” route to Union subway station via Queens Quay west was suspended for that period. Only two branches of “510 Spadina” were running – with shuttle buses – that is “510 Spadina” to King Street and “510 Spadina” to Queens Quay and Spadina. This meant only the “509 Harbourfront” streetcars were running on Queens Quay West, and were providing more frequent service.


  21. September 3 is tomorrow and the TTC hasn’t add the September-October service summary yet.

    Steve: I know and have asked. It’s sitting with their web team, and I doubt anything will happen until Tuesday at best.


  22. Blast off to the CNE on the Shuttle:

    This ain’t Rocket science, but will there be an express shuttle bus service on the “511 Bathurst” route this year? In the past, the TTC operated an express shuttle bus service on the “511 Bathurst route” between Bathurst Station and the Exhibition loop, to supplement (and run in tandem with) streetcar service and get people to the CNE quicker; that was the “511 EXHIBITION EXPRESS”.

    Steve: The CNE is almost over. No there is no express bus this year. It is unclear how the service will operate on Sunday, September 3 when buses are scheduled but streetcars are needed, nor on Labour Day.


  23. It is unclear how the service will operate on Sunday, September 3 when buses are scheduled but streetcars are needed

    At time of comment (Sunday 11am) and the Flexity’s being removed from 511 and theoretically reassigned to 512 for the fresh board, I am only seeing 28 of the TTC’s 42 Flexity cars in service at the moment. 509 (8) 510 (14) 514 (5) and 1 lonely car (the newest 4442) on 512. What a waste!

    Steve: 4441 was part of the opening ceremony (pics from Joe Mihevc online), but does not show up on Nextbus. Meanwhile, the TTC in its best tradition does not have a full complement of ALRVs on 501 Queen. Still some CLRVs mixed in.


  24. At 12:17pm, both 4441 and 4442 are in service on 512 St Clair. 4441 took part in the opening ceremony but for some reason, its transponder was not active (rectified now). Pity that they could not space the 2 newest members of the fleet a little better rather than one after the other. It will mean a long wait for someone who might need a low floor car.

    Steve: As of 2 pm, there are three CLRVs in between the Flexitys, but, yes, having them roughly equidistant would be ideal for accessibility.


  25. “It is unclear how the service will operate on Sunday, September 3 when buses are scheduled but streetcars are needed, nor on Labour Day.”

    NextBus shows all buses for scheduled service, but I’ve seen a CLRV, ALRV and a Flexity as extras on 511 Bathurst. With the 509 PCC is mixed in on Fleet St. you have a lot if different kinds of vehicles in one place.

    Steve: The extras won’t show up on Nextbus because there are no run numbers corresponding to them in the schedule. One of those nice “features” of the design.


  26. Steve: 4441 was part of the opening ceremony (pics from Joe Mihevc online), but does not show up on Nextbus. Meanwhile, the TTC in its best tradition does not have a full complement of ALRVs on 501 Queen. Still some CLRVs mixed in.

    4441 did start showing up on tracking later in the day.

    I’m checking again today and I currently see 509 (6), 510 (14), 514 (5), 512 (2) and of course as per TTC custom, the 2 Flexity’s on St. Clair are running almost back to back (it appears only 4048 is sitting in between them).

    Is this a case of new board and NextBus not having updated info or is a large part of the new fleet sitting idle again? I’m seeing 10 CLRV’s mixed in with the 2 Flexity’s for 12 vehicles on 512 but I don’t have a service summary in front of me so I don’t know if this is the correct scheduled number for a holiday.

    Steve: Yes, 12 cars is correct for the 512 today. Tomorrow we will see how many Flexitys in total they push out the door for a regular weekday and onto which routes.


  27. Yesterday, I went to the CNE. I was surprised that streetcars were still running on the “511 Bathurst” route – a mixture of CLRVs, ALRVs, and Flexity Outlook. To get down to the CNE, I rode a “511 Bathurst” streetcar down to the Exhibition loop, and to get back from the CNE, I took another “511 Bathurst” streetcar. At least, the TTC had the decency to leave streetcars on this route until the CNE was over – it finishes on Labour Day – and not pull a stunt on those choosing to take the TTC to get to the CNE by switching fully to shuttle bus operation on “511 Bathurst”. For many who do choose to get to the CNE by TTC, they prefer taking streetcars.

    On the streetcar heading to the CNE, there was the high-spirited excitement of the passengers aboard the streetcar; this time the excitement was higher-spirited, as the Canadian International Air Show was on. The passengers got even more excited when they saw and heard a CF-18 Hornet fighter jet flying overhead. During my day at the CNE, there were a lot of Latinos in attendance (as visitors), and that included recent arrivals from Venezuela , and I could hear them talking away in Spanish. Sunday is the tradition day for Venezuelan families to go out together, and many of those rode on the “511 Bathurst” streetcar to get to the CNE.


  28. From glancing at the TTCnotices Twitter feed I can see one of the CLRV’s broke down on St. Clair today which ended up blocking the route for about 20 minutes. If only the TTC had newer and more reliable vehicles available…


  29. I’m seeing 5 Flexity’s out on 512 today during afternoon rush and as usual they’re all traveling together in a tight knit band. 4419, 4108, 4429, 4418, 4144, 4441, 4405 was the not very well spaced grouping, with there being 14 CLRV’s in front of and behind the leading/trailing Flexity cars. At one point just before 3pm there were 4 Flexity cars in or around Gunns Loop.


  30. They always seem to have problems with the Flerxitys bunching up when they operate in mixed service with the older cars. Once they are the only ones on the route they then make adjustments to the headways a bit more to accommodate them. I wouldn’t be surprised if right now St. Clair is still operating with the same formula as for use with CLRVS and the Flexitys are just being substituted for them.

    Steve: Yes, there has been no change in the 512 schedules, and they will remain the same until the route is officially all-Flexity, probably next spring.


  31. My main beef wasn’t with Flexity bunching yesterday (random bunching is TTC wide operating custom) but the zero attempt to space out the new cars evenly around the old ones. Having all 5 accessible cars clustered together within 2km of a 12 km route leaves huge gaps in accessible service and shows low effort from management.


  32. It’s official; the TTC took the remaining streetcars off the “511 Bathurst” route yesterday, and replaced it fully with a curbside shuttle bus operation. The shuttle buses use the designated stops as streetcars, but stop on the curbside. Some of the shuttle buses short turn at King St. W. and Bathurst St., the last time there was shuttle bus operation on this route – which was from Sunday, November 20, 2016 until Saturday, May 6, 2017 – and it was for the same reason, a shortage of streetcars available.

    How long will this shuttle bus operation expected to last, until more (of the new Flexity Outlook) streetcars become available?

    Steve: The focus for implementation of new cars as they arrive will be on St. Clair and King, but this will free up older cars for Bathurst. Whether the TTC will actually use them, or continue the “shortage” excuse remains to be seen. It is a convenient way to run less service than budgeted.


  33. The new low-floor Flexity Outlook streetcars, when more are scheduled to arrive (from the Bombardier factory in Thunder Bay), will be put on the “512 St. Clair West” and the “504 King” routes. The latter route, “504 King” is a good one for the new Flexities, as it is the busiest and it’s an entirely street-level route running between Dundas West and Broadview Stations, which the streetcar loops are located at street level at both those stations. Many people living in the west end use this route to get to St. Joseph’s Health Centre, as it passes through the intersection of Roncesvalles Avenue, Queen Street, West, and King Street West.

    When streetcars eventually return to the “511 Bathurst” route, which just recently switched to a curb-side shuttle bus operation (and waiting for the CNE to be over before doing this), it will be the older streetcars deployed from both the “St. Clair West” and “504 King” routes – mostly CLRVs from the “504 St. Clair West” route and a mixture of CLRVs and ALRVs from “504 King” route. Hopefully, the return of streetcars will happen in time for the Royal Agricultural Winter Fair, which runs November 3 – 12, 2017, the next major event at Exhibition Place.

    Steve: The schedules for the period from Thanksgiving until late November still show bus operation on the 511. Obviously the TTC could supplement this either with more buses or streetcars as they did on Labour Day weekend, but the demand to the Royal Winter Fair is not as heavy as for the CNE.


  34. Steve, full pantograph use will commence with morning service on the 509 Harbourfront route on Tuesday, September 12 2017. The LFLRVs will run out/run in via trolley pole and will do the switch at Exhibition Loop. Trolley poles will only be used on the route for emergencies; Fleet Loop and Spadina Loop are fully compatible with the pantograph.

    On another note, when the LFLRVs roll out onto the 504 King route they will not be allowed to deploy the ramp on Roncesvalles as the current island stops are damaging the ramps. The island stops will be fixed when the Queen/Roncy intersection is done in order to have less impact on the local businesses.

    Steve: Thanks for the heads up on Harbourfront!


  35. How many weeks will shuttle buses be running on the “511 Bathurst” route? When streetcars make their triumphant return, it will more likely be CLRVs and ALRVs.

    The TTC waited until the CNE was over before fully replacing streetcars with shuttle buses, and that was precisely a week ago (Tuesday). Many (if not most) people who chose to take the TTC to get to the CNE rode on the “511 Bathurst” streetcars. During the last weekend of the CNE, this service (on the “511 Bathurst” route) was supplemented with some shuttle buses. There was a high-spirited excitement of passengers riding on the streetcars during the running of the CNE, especially when the Canadian International Air Show was on; there were many visitors to the CNE and this included recent immigrant arrivals from Venezuela on their Sunday outings and many took the “511 Bathurst” streetcar; Sunday is the traditional day for Venezuelan families to go out together, and the CNE is one event they will attend on these outings.


  36. I took streetcars on the “511 Bathurst” route to the CNE — and the air show – on Sunday, September 3, 2017; they were, surprisingly, still running (I thought that I was going to likely take a shuttle bus).


  37. The TTC is currently running shuttle buses on its “511 Bathurst” route, since the CNE was over (Labour Day). How long do you expect the shuttle buses to serve this route, and streetcars to return?

    Starting this month, “512 St. Clair West” and “504 King” routes are now getting the new low-floor Flexity Outlook streetcars. As more Flexities arrive from Bombardier, they will be put on these two routes, and free up older streetcars (both CLRV & and its double-length cousin ALRV) to be deployed to the “511 Bathurst” route.

    Steve: We know all of this. The return of streetcars to 511 Bathurst depends on the rate at which CLRVs are released by the Flexity rollout on other routes.


  38. Today, I was walking along St. Clair Ave. W., and I saw a few Flexities on the “512 St. Clair West” route (and there were still some CLRVs on that route). It looks like a few more Flexities have arrived from Bombardier, and there’s more to come.

    As far as the “504 King” route is concerned, Flexities will gradually be replacing CLRVs and ALRVs, as they arrive from Bombardier; the “504 King” runs between Dundas West station in the west and Broadview station in the east, via Roncesvalles Avenue, King Street, and Broadview Avenue; tte streetcar loops are at street level at both these subway stations. This is the busiest streetcar route – it passes through South Parkdale, Liberty Village, the Entertainment District, the Financial District, the Old Town, and the Distillery District.

    As the rollout of Flexities continues, the older streetcars will be freed up for use on streetcar routes currently using shuttle buses, such as “511 Bathurst”.

    The “511 Bathurst” route continues to use a curbside shuttle bus operation. The shuttle buses use older-style transfers used on CLRVs and ALRVs on this route. The delivery of Flexities from Bombardier and the rollout of them on both the “512 St. Clair West” and the “504 King” will gradually free up older streetcars – CLRVs and ALRVs – to be used on routes currently using shuttle buses, particularly “511 Bathurst”.

    Hopefully, the production and delivery of Flexities ramps up, and streetcars to return to the “511 Bathurst” route in time for the Royal Agricultural Winter Fair, which runs November 3-12, at Exhibition Place.

    Steve: 511 Bathurst will still be a bus operation for the schedule period from Thanksgiving to the end of November.


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