Some Things Take A While (Update 2)

Update 2 October 23:  At today’s meeting, the Commission referred this matter back to staff for clarification and revision of dates for some outstanding reports.  This is a delicate way of saying “try harder”.  A revised timetable will come back to the November meeting.

Original October 17 post:

David Crawford, who was browsing the TTC agenda, sent along the following tidbit.

I notice from the Report on outstanding business being presented to the Commission next week that another report is being brought to the Commission, IN APRIL 2009. After 4 years we may know why transit priority isn’t a priority!!

June 22, 2005 (Deputations)

Transit Priority on Spadina, Harbourfront and St. Clair
Vice-Chair Chow moved the following:

1. That staff be requested to take the necessary action to implement transit priority signalling on Spadina by September 2005 at all locations where it is not already active, with a report back in the Fall of 2006 on the impact.
2. That recommendations 2 to 6 embodied in Mr. Munro’s submission be forwarded to TTC staff and City Transportation staff, with a joint report back to the fall meetings of the TTC and Planning and Transportation Committee.

Report to be forwarded to Commission in April 2009.

The oldest item on the list of old business dates from 2002 and deals with transit shelters on College Street – that complex matter is supposed to be resolved in February 2009!

Let’s see.  Then-Commissioner Chow has been elected, twice, to the House of Commons.  Howard Moscoe is no longer Chair of the TTC.  Fall 2005 came and went quite some time ago.  Service on College Street does arrive slightly more often than once every seven years.

I know how much work it is to craft the finely-honed articles I publish here, and with the extensive gestation for these reports, we should see masterpieces!  Of course, we may get an epic almost as long as the journey of the bold Spadina car, or an elegant haiku (brevity is the soul of wit, after all) inviting decades of speculation on the exact meaning of “priority”.

Updated 10:55 pm: 

My deputation of June 22, 2005, to which staff were directed to respond, is linked for reference.

Another report request dates from May 2008 by Adam Giambrone who wants to know about the applicability of trolley buses to mjor TTC routes.  The report is claimed to be coming back in September 2009.

7 thoughts on “Some Things Take A While (Update 2)

  1. I noticed that the June 22, 2005 deputation left out getting Transit Priority on the Queensway ROW.

    It will probably be sent back to get that section included, and will be reported back in another 5 years.

    Steve: They will probably make that part of the Waterfront West study, and discover that the line must be rerouted to avoid the geese at Grenadier Pond.


  2. Thanks for the info. My buddy at the Roads department would love to receive this information. They are still against signal priority on Spadina and as far as I know, the TTC are still stubborn mules in this department, without regard for the consequences of crosstown traffic (and transit).


  3. Steve,

    “2. That recommendations 2 to 6 embodied in Mr. Munro’s submission be forwarded to TTC staff and City Transportation staff, with a joint report back to the fall meetings of the TTC and Planning and Transportation Committee.”

    For those of us not following along too closely, could you restate or link to your submission? If it’s up on the TTC website I’m afraid I can’t find it.


    Steve: My deputation is now linked at the end of the article.


  4. It’s due in 6 months.

    But if you look at the older outstanding lists, back in June 2008 it was due in 4 months (this October), and in January 2008 it was due in 3 months (April 2008).

    So not only is the arrival of the report getting further away, as time advances, the distance away is accelerating!

    Kind of like waiting for a Queen streetcar …

    Steve: Or completion of the St. Clair project.


  5. Is the “Requested Action on High-Speed Boat Service” in the Outstanding Commission Items, the swan boat brainstorm?

    Steve: No, It’s Admiral Adam’s scheme for fast ferries to downtown from Scarborough and Etobicoke.


  6. What about a request for extending the high-speed ferry network on branch lines to Old Mill and Broadview via the Humber and Don, respectively, to provide relief to the Yonge Line?

    Steve: Remember the trebuchets?


  7. It’s clear that the city and TTC also don’t give a rat’s ass about pedestrian and traffic safety. I work at Yonge and St Clair and every day observe numerous pedestrians breach the intersection in anticipation of a green light only to realize too late that left-turning vehicles have the right of way first. See pedestrian run. Hear car horn honk.

    The left turn priority signal is both too long (for impatient pedestrians on a windy and crowded corner) and too short (for vehicles turning which then have to race through).

    Whenever traffic is backed up on northbound Yonge (often!) inevitably a car or two will get stuck in the intersection, typically right in the crosswalk or just before it so either pedestrians have to maneuver around the car, or cross traffic can’t move on their green light. The situation is an accident waiting to happen.

    It seems so obvious that transit signal priority can resolve multiple issues here and, by extension, at all other intersections by 1. also giving pedestrians signal priority at the same time, 2. allowing a “natural” pattern whereby pedestrians and non-transit vehicles observe and move through a green light/walk signal which then turns red, AFTER which left-turns occur, 3. allows the left-turners to move without feeling rushed or worrying about lurching pedestrians, and 4. if said left-turner gets stuck in the intersection due to traffic backups they will at least already be pointing in the direction of the traffic flow and not blocking cross traffic or having to dodge pedestrians.

    I walk, drive and take the TTC all regularly (I’m not suicidal so I don’t bike on city streets). It’s quite the feat when a city can exasperate pedestrians, transit users and drivers all at the same time!


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